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		<title>By: Sylvia Martinez</title>
		<link>http://blog.genyes.org/index.php/2008/09/03/believe-in/comment-page-1/#comment-48498</link>
		<dc:creator>Sylvia Martinez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 04:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks everyone for all the interesting comments. I&#039;m not sure I&#039;d go as far as calling this a travesty, but I do hope people see it for what it is (marketing) and what it is not (student voice).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks everyone for all the interesting comments. I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;d go as far as calling this a travesty, but I do hope people see it for what it is (marketing) and what it is not (student voice).</p>
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		<title>By: Fran Rooker</title>
		<link>http://blog.genyes.org/index.php/2008/09/03/believe-in/comment-page-1/#comment-48497</link>
		<dc:creator>Fran Rooker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 04:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a travesty, it is crass, it is callow.  Those school district administrators need to be called to account in a very public way.  IMHO, teachers all over the USA should be flooding the offices of the Dallas Independent School District and the Texas State Board of Education with messages questioning the ethics of this blatent piece of marketing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a travesty, it is crass, it is callow.  Those school district administrators need to be called to account in a very public way.  IMHO, teachers all over the USA should be flooding the offices of the Dallas Independent School District and the Texas State Board of Education with messages questioning the ethics of this blatent piece of marketing!</p>
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		<title>By: James L. Smith</title>
		<link>http://blog.genyes.org/index.php/2008/09/03/believe-in/comment-page-1/#comment-42162</link>
		<dc:creator>James L. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 20:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am in agreement, Daltons speech was a rehearsed performance. However, he needed to be rehearsed to reach his critical audience. Please watch the clip again, and don&#039;t pay attention to Dalton, do as I did, survey the crowd and see the tears in men and womens eyes. He touched them in a special place. the research shows one of the biggest problems of educators of all stripes, is they don&#039;t have high enough expectations of students of color. (See Jonathan Kozol) Daltons presentation, &quot;do you believe in me&quot; challenges the very being of everyone in the room. In addition, the adulation and prasie from the audience is good for him too. I am sure, he can touch his peers in ways adults can&#039;t, which also makes his gifts, give even more. If Daltons presentation makes one educator raise their expectations for their students, I say, Dalton keep on performing.........Bravo Bravo!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am in agreement, Daltons speech was a rehearsed performance. However, he needed to be rehearsed to reach his critical audience. Please watch the clip again, and don&#8217;t pay attention to Dalton, do as I did, survey the crowd and see the tears in men and womens eyes. He touched them in a special place. the research shows one of the biggest problems of educators of all stripes, is they don&#8217;t have high enough expectations of students of color. (See Jonathan Kozol) Daltons presentation, &#8220;do you believe in me&#8221; challenges the very being of everyone in the room. In addition, the adulation and prasie from the audience is good for him too. I am sure, he can touch his peers in ways adults can&#8217;t, which also makes his gifts, give even more. If Daltons presentation makes one educator raise their expectations for their students, I say, Dalton keep on performing&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;Bravo Bravo!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Darren Draper</title>
		<link>http://blog.genyes.org/index.php/2008/09/03/believe-in/comment-page-1/#comment-41165</link>
		<dc:creator>Darren Draper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sylvia,

So this is a post that has stuck with me for several days now. I think the questions you pose are very important, but an ever-increasingly difficult pill to swallow.  Related to this topic, I recently heard a story that very much fits in line with what you are questioning:
&lt;blockquote&gt;How think ye? If a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?

And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
We frequently have students that simply don&#039;t fit our mold.  They rebel, they whine, and quite often they dominate our time.  Nevertheless, if our motives are pure, we would be the teachers to help them find their way - just as we would help those with whom we &quot;jive&quot;.

After all, are we not also recurrently in that precarious position of being the one that has gone astray?

I know I am - more often than I like to confess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sylvia,</p>
<p>So this is a post that has stuck with me for several days now. I think the questions you pose are very important, but an ever-increasingly difficult pill to swallow.  Related to this topic, I recently heard a story that very much fits in line with what you are questioning:</p>
<blockquote><p>How think ye? If a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?</p>
<p>And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.</p></blockquote>
<p>We frequently have students that simply don&#8217;t fit our mold.  They rebel, they whine, and quite often they dominate our time.  Nevertheless, if our motives are pure, we would be the teachers to help them find their way &#8211; just as we would help those with whom we &#8220;jive&#8221;.</p>
<p>After all, are we not also recurrently in that precarious position of being the one that has gone astray?</p>
<p>I know I am &#8211; more often than I like to confess.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Farren</title>
		<link>http://blog.genyes.org/index.php/2008/09/03/believe-in/comment-page-1/#comment-41148</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Farren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like you&#039;re questions. They&#039;re important and need to be asked. It seems like the message is often, &quot;Believe in those that believe in the system.&quot; What if a student isn&#039;t buying it? What if he/she is actually a critical thinker and despite going to school, wants to become educated? These thinkers clog the pipes leading to the extruders, don&#039;t they?
It reminds me of politicians reading speeches written for them by speech writers. One, Sarah Palin, particularly comes to mind recently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like you&#8217;re questions. They&#8217;re important and need to be asked. It seems like the message is often, &#8220;Believe in those that believe in the system.&#8221; What if a student isn&#8217;t buying it? What if he/she is actually a critical thinker and despite going to school, wants to become educated? These thinkers clog the pipes leading to the extruders, don&#8217;t they?<br />
It reminds me of politicians reading speeches written for them by speech writers. One, Sarah Palin, particularly comes to mind recently.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Stewart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 06:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My son was told by his science teacher when he was 15 that she gave up on him. Obviously, she didn&#039;t believe!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My son was told by his science teacher when he was 15 that she gave up on him. Obviously, she didn&#8217;t believe!</p>
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		<title>By: Artichoke</title>
		<link>http://blog.genyes.org/index.php/2008/09/03/believe-in/comment-page-1/#comment-39849</link>
		<dc:creator>Artichoke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 22:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sylvia great questions ... thank you for raising them ... our affection for &quot;student voice&quot; is not without complication ... it needs a deeper critique and this post is a great start to the thinking we ought to be doing in school ... 

I have been exploring a different angle on &lt;a href=&quot;http://artichoke.typepad.com/artichoke/2008/08/student-voice-as-a-good-thing.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; &quot;student voice&quot; at Artichoke&lt;/a&gt; .... on being the “safe one” invited to represent “student opinion” by those with institutional authority .... I&#039;m going to add a link to this post in the comments ... it complements the ideas I want to explore well</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sylvia great questions &#8230; thank you for raising them &#8230; our affection for &#8220;student voice&#8221; is not without complication &#8230; it needs a deeper critique and this post is a great start to the thinking we ought to be doing in school &#8230; </p>
<p>I have been exploring a different angle on <a href="http://artichoke.typepad.com/artichoke/2008/08/student-voice-as-a-good-thing.html" rel="nofollow"> &#8220;student voice&#8221; at Artichoke</a> &#8230;. on being the “safe one” invited to represent “student opinion” by those with institutional authority &#8230;. I&#8217;m going to add a link to this post in the comments &#8230; it complements the ideas I want to explore well</p>
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		<title>By: wmchamberlain</title>
		<link>http://blog.genyes.org/index.php/2008/09/03/believe-in/comment-page-1/#comment-38408</link>
		<dc:creator>wmchamberlain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! It is awful early in the year to be as depressed as the first two commenters. I agree to a point. I think there are overlooked, underappreciated, or just plain irritating students in our classroom that don&#039;t get the extra attention they require. I also know that my first responsibility is to educate the students to the best of my ability, which may not include all the extras these students need. My belief is that you can&#039;t change every student, but you may be able to change one. Which one will you try to change?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! It is awful early in the year to be as depressed as the first two commenters. I agree to a point. I think there are overlooked, underappreciated, or just plain irritating students in our classroom that don&#8217;t get the extra attention they require. I also know that my first responsibility is to educate the students to the best of my ability, which may not include all the extras these students need. My belief is that you can&#8217;t change every student, but you may be able to change one. Which one will you try to change?</p>
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		<title>By: Louise Maine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louise Maine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 18:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank You! As an educator and a parent of a student who shuns mainstream due to the hypocrisy of it all, I can tell you she has checked out because no one listens. I have read many blogs about this speaker, but your questions are what we should be asking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank You! As an educator and a parent of a student who shuns mainstream due to the hypocrisy of it all, I can tell you she has checked out because no one listens. I have read many blogs about this speaker, but your questions are what we should be asking.</p>
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		<title>By: krasicki</title>
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		<dc:creator>krasicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 15:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are asking one of many important questions.

It is fine to believe anything one wants but that doesn&#039;t bend reality.  We all know too many children who are so self-confident because they have one thing going for them that when they stumble, they can&#039;t get up.

The boy is a fine speaker but the kick he gets from public speaking may be a drug that is insufficient in life.  The message he delivers is filled with warm platitudes and makes people feel good.

However, as you point out there are lots of other kids who are different whose message might be, &quot;Why can&#039;t you believe n me, why aren&#039;t I good enough as I am, and why must you try to make me someone you want me to be?&quot;  Well, the Departments of Education has no use for such ideas and will steamroll anything like this into an Orwellian exercise in forcing the kids into conforming absolutely to the government formula.

Another form of this message are the children who can&#039;t speak for themselves and who might be saying, &quot;I believe in myself as someone you aren&#039;t relating to or as someone you would be horrified that I am.&quot;  And of course dealling with that is a whole &#039;nother discussion.

But there is something deeply disingenuous about this stuff aside from the blatant ghost-writing.  And that is that kids&#039; brains are not fully developed and their experiences are thin as Governors of Alaska.  Even if this kid says stuff that is authentic, it is still just a kid talking.

The example that always strikes me are the child and teen evangelist preachers or witnesses to faith.  Now, as a person who reads voraciously and takes all this stuff into consideration I always have a hard time claiming expertise and people I respect have similar stands.

The more you know, the less you&#039;re sure.  But every day there is some huckster claiming to *absolutely* know what Jesus, God, the Holy Books, the mystics, the prophets, and so on really mean or what *your* personal values should be.  To me, this is fraud because it is not even qualified as speculative or a thought experiment by the speaker.

So when children lecture teachers or administrators on education, some of it is spot on co-incidentally and some of it isn&#039;t but the kid is the last to know which is which.  Listener beware.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are asking one of many important questions.</p>
<p>It is fine to believe anything one wants but that doesn&#8217;t bend reality.  We all know too many children who are so self-confident because they have one thing going for them that when they stumble, they can&#8217;t get up.</p>
<p>The boy is a fine speaker but the kick he gets from public speaking may be a drug that is insufficient in life.  The message he delivers is filled with warm platitudes and makes people feel good.</p>
<p>However, as you point out there are lots of other kids who are different whose message might be, &#8220;Why can&#8217;t you believe n me, why aren&#8217;t I good enough as I am, and why must you try to make me someone you want me to be?&#8221;  Well, the Departments of Education has no use for such ideas and will steamroll anything like this into an Orwellian exercise in forcing the kids into conforming absolutely to the government formula.</p>
<p>Another form of this message are the children who can&#8217;t speak for themselves and who might be saying, &#8220;I believe in myself as someone you aren&#8217;t relating to or as someone you would be horrified that I am.&#8221;  And of course dealling with that is a whole &#8216;nother discussion.</p>
<p>But there is something deeply disingenuous about this stuff aside from the blatant ghost-writing.  And that is that kids&#8217; brains are not fully developed and their experiences are thin as Governors of Alaska.  Even if this kid says stuff that is authentic, it is still just a kid talking.</p>
<p>The example that always strikes me are the child and teen evangelist preachers or witnesses to faith.  Now, as a person who reads voraciously and takes all this stuff into consideration I always have a hard time claiming expertise and people I respect have similar stands.</p>
<p>The more you know, the less you&#8217;re sure.  But every day there is some huckster claiming to *absolutely* know what Jesus, God, the Holy Books, the mystics, the prophets, and so on really mean or what *your* personal values should be.  To me, this is fraud because it is not even qualified as speculative or a thought experiment by the speaker.</p>
<p>So when children lecture teachers or administrators on education, some of it is spot on co-incidentally and some of it isn&#8217;t but the kid is the last to know which is which.  Listener beware.</p>
<p>- krasicki</p>
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