Comments on: Ten to ask – How to predict the Web 2.0 winners http://blog.genyes.org/index.php/2008/12/12/ten-to-ask-how-to-predict-the-web-20-winners/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=ten-to-ask-how-to-predict-the-web-20-winners Thoughts About Empowering Students with Technology Wed, 08 Feb 2012 13:39:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Still no free lunch 2.0 « Generation YES Blog http://blog.genyes.org/index.php/2008/12/12/ten-to-ask-how-to-predict-the-web-20-winners/comment-page-1/#comment-135430 Still no free lunch 2.0 « Generation YES Blog Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:22:25 +0000 http://blog.genyes.com/?p=839#comment-135430 [...] Last year I posted some rules for deciding whether a Web 2.0 tool is worth investing in for the classroom, and these are still good strategies.. [...] [...] Last year I posted some rules for deciding whether a Web 2.0 tool is worth investing in for the classroom, and these are still good strategies.. [...]

]]> By: Daniel Livingstone http://blog.genyes.org/index.php/2008/12/12/ten-to-ask-how-to-predict-the-web-20-winners/comment-page-1/#comment-72506 Daniel Livingstone Sun, 21 Dec 2008 00:36:13 +0000 http://blog.genyes.com/?p=839#comment-72506 Hi Sylvia, Flickr is only sort of free... they hook you with their free offering, then when you post your 201st picture you discover that while all of your images are still there, only the most recent 200 are available to view. Having written blog posts and developed wikis full of links to those old images you realize you either have to start creating pseudonym accounts or pay up to go pro... It worked on me. After having spent a long time wondering why so many people I knew bothered to pay for the pro serve, I found out at last. daniel Hi Sylvia,

Flickr is only sort of free… they hook you with their free offering, then when you post your 201st picture you discover that while all of your images are still there, only the most recent 200 are available to view. Having written blog posts and developed wikis full of links to those old images you realize you either have to start creating pseudonym accounts or pay up to go pro…

It worked on me. After having spent a long time wondering why so many people I knew bothered to pay for the pro serve, I found out at last.

daniel

]]> By: Sylvia Martinez http://blog.genyes.org/index.php/2008/12/12/ten-to-ask-how-to-predict-the-web-20-winners/comment-page-1/#comment-71418 Sylvia Martinez Mon, 15 Dec 2008 05:45:24 +0000 http://blog.genyes.com/?p=839#comment-71418 Hi Stephen, Looking at your service, I'd say it's more of an SAS (Software as Service) rather than Web 2.0. The "next" button is sort of an indication of that. The definition of Web 2.0 started out as a simple technical definition of using the Internet as a platform, and the new styles of interaction that happen on an open browser page. But it's gotten kind of confused with anything new on the Internet, and I'm not going to bother fighting some kind of semantic fight about it. What does it really matter, anyway? The only insight I have into your model is that right now, it's a service business that provides professional development, because that's where you make money. Your online tool is essentially marketing. So if that works for you, then you've got a good model! Hi Stephen,
Looking at your service, I’d say it’s more of an SAS (Software as Service) rather than Web 2.0. The “next” button is sort of an indication of that.

The definition of Web 2.0 started out as a simple technical definition of using the Internet as a platform, and the new styles of interaction that happen on an open browser page.

But it’s gotten kind of confused with anything new on the Internet, and I’m not going to bother fighting some kind of semantic fight about it. What does it really matter, anyway?

The only insight I have into your model is that right now, it’s a service business that provides professional development, because that’s where you make money. Your online tool is essentially marketing. So if that works for you, then you’ve got a good model!

]]> By: Stephen http://blog.genyes.org/index.php/2008/12/12/ten-to-ask-how-to-predict-the-web-20-winners/comment-page-1/#comment-71107 Stephen Sun, 14 Dec 2008 03:41:29 +0000 http://blog.genyes.com/?p=839#comment-71107 Hi As the operator of start-up with an unconventional business model, I was very interested in your checklist. I also wondered about the definition of Web 2.0. Is it commonly just social networking? Our site automatically develops literacy lesson plans and teacher materials around whatever text the user submits. Does that interaction and modification of user content qualify as web 2.0? Experience with investor related stress, the heartbreak of layoffs, and the negative impact of suits on creatives led us to try to avoid the problems of questions #1-4 and #10 by avoiding on-going expenses and staying small. I probably wouldn't have used the cockroach comparison, but ok. Like that. We ran through a fixed amount of cash on a very structured development cycle (on time and under budget, for once!) in a temporary office sublet and launched a web site that delivers a unique and practical service for free. Our immediate goal is to earn enough teacher buy-in on our free service to generate demand for in-house trainings on advanced features ( www.lessonwriter.com/training/training.aspx ), similar to what many Open Source projects (e.g., MySql) have done. A few training days a month will keep our heads above water while we implement the next steps of our strategy. I'd be interested in any thoughts about, or insights into, this model. Hi
As the operator of start-up with an unconventional business model, I was very interested in your checklist. I also wondered about the definition of Web 2.0. Is it commonly just social networking? Our site automatically develops literacy lesson plans and teacher materials around whatever text the user submits. Does that interaction and modification of user content qualify as web 2.0?

Experience with investor related stress, the heartbreak of layoffs, and the negative impact of suits on creatives led us to try to avoid the problems of questions #1-4 and #10 by avoiding on-going expenses and staying small. I probably wouldn’t have used the cockroach comparison, but ok. Like that.

We ran through a fixed amount of cash on a very structured development cycle (on time and under budget, for once!) in a temporary office sublet and launched a web site that delivers a unique and practical service for free.

Our immediate goal is to earn enough teacher buy-in on our free service to generate demand for in-house trainings on advanced features ( http://www.lessonwriter.com/training/training.aspx ), similar to what many Open Source projects (e.g., MySql) have done. A few training days a month will keep our heads above water while we implement the next steps of our strategy.

I’d be interested in any thoughts about, or insights into, this model.

]]> By: Steve Hargadon http://blog.genyes.org/index.php/2008/12/12/ten-to-ask-how-to-predict-the-web-20-winners/comment-page-1/#comment-70977 Steve Hargadon Sat, 13 Dec 2008 03:51:41 +0000 http://blog.genyes.com/?p=839#comment-70977 It's worth noting that open source software projects often duplicate much of the functionality of Web 2.0, which is no surprise because they largely have come out of the same "open" movement and often with the same players. Open Source programs won't go away--even if the coders all stop working on a project, the existing code is licensed to be available forever. There's an argument that in an economic downturn, Open Source will go away as people looking for work can't afford to spend time on programming. I almost feel like the opposite is likely--since working on an OS project can bring both personal fulfillment and professional opportunity when not much else does. So, for my money, I'd be looking at OS software programs that mirror the same functionality of the tools that we like. Moodle is a great, if imperfect, example. But when all else is said and done, it can be loaded on a local server and run with no licensing cost. And the data is all yours to safely back up. It’s worth noting that open source software projects often duplicate much of the functionality of Web 2.0, which is no surprise because they largely have come out of the same “open” movement and often with the same players. Open Source programs won’t go away–even if the coders all stop working on a project, the existing code is licensed to be available forever.

There’s an argument that in an economic downturn, Open Source will go away as people looking for work can’t afford to spend time on programming. I almost feel like the opposite is likely–since working on an OS project can bring both personal fulfillment and professional opportunity when not much else does.

So, for my money, I’d be looking at OS software programs that mirror the same functionality of the tools that we like. Moodle is a great, if imperfect, example. But when all else is said and done, it can be loaded on a local server and run with no licensing cost. And the data is all yours to safely back up.

]]> By: Carla Beard http://blog.genyes.org/index.php/2008/12/12/ten-to-ask-how-to-predict-the-web-20-winners/comment-page-1/#comment-70929 Carla Beard Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:13:42 +0000 http://blog.genyes.com/?p=839#comment-70929 Sylvia, It's better to head into these tough times with eyes wide open. Thanks for the insights! Sylvia,

It’s better to head into these tough times with eyes wide open. Thanks for the insights!

]]> By: Ken Royal http://blog.genyes.org/index.php/2008/12/12/ten-to-ask-how-to-predict-the-web-20-winners/comment-page-1/#comment-70926 Ken Royal Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:57:16 +0000 http://blog.genyes.com/?p=839#comment-70926 Sylvia, Thanks for your thoughts, and the effort it took to write this piece. It's not only a call to action, but a call for calm as well. We all need these reminders, especially now, to know things can get better--and will get better, and that standing still isn't an option--ever. Thanks for sharing. Ken Sylvia,

Thanks for your thoughts, and the effort it took to write this piece. It’s not only a call to action, but a call for calm as well. We all need these reminders, especially now, to know things can get better–and will get better, and that standing still isn’t an option–ever. Thanks for sharing.

Ken

]]> By: Greg Noack http://blog.genyes.org/index.php/2008/12/12/ten-to-ask-how-to-predict-the-web-20-winners/comment-page-1/#comment-70922 Greg Noack Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:34:06 +0000 http://blog.genyes.com/?p=839#comment-70922 This is something I have been pondering about lately. Thanks for the great information, very helpful. I think when hosting student work online it's very important to think about what might happen to it, who is in control of it, and who has access to it. This is something I have been pondering about lately. Thanks for the great information, very helpful.

I think when hosting student work online it’s very important to think about what might happen to it, who is in control of it, and who has access to it.

]]> By: Karl Fisch http://blog.genyes.org/index.php/2008/12/12/ten-to-ask-how-to-predict-the-web-20-winners/comment-page-1/#comment-70909 Karl Fisch Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:43:38 +0000 http://blog.genyes.com/?p=839#comment-70909 Great post. Even though I'd prefer not to think about it. La la la la la . << hands over ears >> Great post. Even though I’d prefer not to think about it. La la la la la . < < hands over ears >>

]]> By: George Mayo http://blog.genyes.org/index.php/2008/12/12/ten-to-ask-how-to-predict-the-web-20-winners/comment-page-1/#comment-70907 George Mayo Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:35:55 +0000 http://blog.genyes.com/?p=839#comment-70907 Hi Sylvia, I've seen a few people mention this idea on Twitter that some of the "free" tools we use as teachers may be going away with the tough economy. Before anyone starts posting large amounts of digital content on any site they should first do some research. For me, I have opted to upgrade many of my formerly "free" accounts for different reasons. Perhaps, we should stop expecting quality web services for free? The pro account I have on Flickr is worth the $25 a year. That's a small price to pay for such an great tool. I recently spent $60 to upgrade my Vimeo account, and again, I couldn't operate with it. I really don't mind spending some money on well-deserved websites, especially after using the service for free for a period of time beforehand. I've been creating different forms of digital content with my middle school students for the last five years. We have to regularly switch up the ways we save and archive work. For me, it's important to try and save as much work as possible. It's also important to archive that work in a way that's accessible. It's a constant challenge. Well, thanks for the post. Happy Friday! George Hi Sylvia,

I’ve seen a few people mention this idea on Twitter that some of the “free” tools we use as teachers may be going away with the tough economy. Before anyone starts posting large amounts of digital content on any site they should first do some research. For me, I have opted to upgrade many of my formerly “free” accounts for different reasons. Perhaps, we should stop expecting quality web services for free? The pro account I have on Flickr is worth the $25 a year. That’s a small price to pay for such an great tool. I recently spent $60 to upgrade my Vimeo account, and again, I couldn’t operate with it.

I really don’t mind spending some money on well-deserved websites, especially after using the service for free for a period of time beforehand.

I’ve been creating different forms of digital content with my middle school students for the last five years. We have to regularly switch up the ways we save and archive work. For me, it’s important to try and save as much work as possible. It’s also important to archive that work in a way that’s accessible. It’s a constant challenge.

Well, thanks for the post. Happy Friday! George

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