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		<title>By: Peter Robinson</title>
		<link>http://blog.genyes.org/index.php/2010/02/08/tinkering-and-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-143089</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 17:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had been using computer technology in one way or another for 20 years before I took any formal courses. All I learned in that time was from tinkering. I really only started taking courses when it became necessary to have pieces of paper to prove my knowledge and skills. I know of kids on our middle school GenYes team that are on the same road. One is well on the way to teaching himself AppleScript essentially by trial and error and reverse engineering the sample scripts that came with his laptop. 

I wish I could encourage the same approach with more people in my district, especially the adults. I find that there is often an expectation for step-by-step training on any technical task that is being asked of teachers. There are a few who, once pointed in the right direction, will take off and figure things out for themselves, but they are definitely the minority. Many of the rest expect descriptions down to the level of each mouse click, and if the process later deviates at all from the training, they tend to be on the phone for support. When I look at the approach to teaching technology of the two groups, I see the same pattern reflected. The minority group are willing to give kids general guidelines and let them figure things out, providing help and guidance as needed. The majority expect to have to give kids the same direction, down to the most minute level, that they would want themselves. 

If I were a student in a classroom where the latter approach was in use, I would be a behavior nightmare! At a minimum, I would be constantly jumping ahead, and would probably miss things as a result. Beyond that, I&#039;d probably go looking for more interesting things to do with my computer, which would likely not go over well.

On the other hand, I recognize that the tinkering approach cannot be the sole solution. I know from my own tinkering that sometimes the result is understanding that can resemble swiss cheese - lots of random holes. Sometimes bricolage leads to ways of doing things that, while they may work, may not be the most elegant or efficient way of getting the particular job done. Sometimes they create bigger problems down the road. Example: ten years ago I taught myself Filemaker Pro and built some pretty complex databases for my district. I&#039;ve since worked with FMP developers who&#039;ve sometimes told me &quot;sure that works, but you&#039;d save yourself a big headache and a ton of work if you did it this way instead.&quot;

Another example is internet research. Kids figure out quickly how to search using Google, and can tinker with their search strings to get some refinement. However, after that they can really benefit from more formal instruction on how to do the research process effectively. The result will be that they spend less time on searching and get more effective results, as well as improved critical thinking skills.

We need to recognize the value of tinkering as an approach, but at the same time ensure that we provide the means to find and fill in the &quot;holes&quot; it sometimes leaves. That kind of support is where the skilled teacher becomes absolutely vital to the process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had been using computer technology in one way or another for 20 years before I took any formal courses. All I learned in that time was from tinkering. I really only started taking courses when it became necessary to have pieces of paper to prove my knowledge and skills. I know of kids on our middle school GenYes team that are on the same road. One is well on the way to teaching himself AppleScript essentially by trial and error and reverse engineering the sample scripts that came with his laptop. </p>
<p>I wish I could encourage the same approach with more people in my district, especially the adults. I find that there is often an expectation for step-by-step training on any technical task that is being asked of teachers. There are a few who, once pointed in the right direction, will take off and figure things out for themselves, but they are definitely the minority. Many of the rest expect descriptions down to the level of each mouse click, and if the process later deviates at all from the training, they tend to be on the phone for support. When I look at the approach to teaching technology of the two groups, I see the same pattern reflected. The minority group are willing to give kids general guidelines and let them figure things out, providing help and guidance as needed. The majority expect to have to give kids the same direction, down to the most minute level, that they would want themselves. </p>
<p>If I were a student in a classroom where the latter approach was in use, I would be a behavior nightmare! At a minimum, I would be constantly jumping ahead, and would probably miss things as a result. Beyond that, I&#8217;d probably go looking for more interesting things to do with my computer, which would likely not go over well.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I recognize that the tinkering approach cannot be the sole solution. I know from my own tinkering that sometimes the result is understanding that can resemble swiss cheese &#8211; lots of random holes. Sometimes bricolage leads to ways of doing things that, while they may work, may not be the most elegant or efficient way of getting the particular job done. Sometimes they create bigger problems down the road. Example: ten years ago I taught myself Filemaker Pro and built some pretty complex databases for my district. I&#8217;ve since worked with FMP developers who&#8217;ve sometimes told me &#8220;sure that works, but you&#8217;d save yourself a big headache and a ton of work if you did it this way instead.&#8221;</p>
<p>Another example is internet research. Kids figure out quickly how to search using Google, and can tinker with their search strings to get some refinement. However, after that they can really benefit from more formal instruction on how to do the research process effectively. The result will be that they spend less time on searching and get more effective results, as well as improved critical thinking skills.</p>
<p>We need to recognize the value of tinkering as an approach, but at the same time ensure that we provide the means to find and fill in the &#8220;holes&#8221; it sometimes leaves. That kind of support is where the skilled teacher becomes absolutely vital to the process.</p>
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		<title>By: Lessons about projects from Tinkering School &#171; Generation YES Blog</title>
		<link>http://blog.genyes.org/index.php/2010/02/08/tinkering-and-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-143033</link>
		<dc:creator>Lessons about projects from Tinkering School &#171; Generation YES Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 09:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Lessons about projects from Tinkering School February 25th, 2010   Hello there! If you are new here, you might want to subscribe to the RSS feed for updates on this topic.Powered by WP Greet BoxI&#8217;ve written before about Gever Tulley and this short TED talk video about his Tinkering School. I used it to open my Educon conversation &#8211; Tinkering Towards Technology Fluency. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Lessons about projects from Tinkering School February 25th, 2010   Hello there! If you are new here, you might want to subscribe to the RSS feed for updates on this topic.Powered by WP Greet BoxI&#8217;ve written before about Gever Tulley and this short TED talk video about his Tinkering School. I used it to open my Educon conversation &#8211; Tinkering Towards Technology Fluency. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tinkering and the grades question &#171; Generation YES Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tinkering and the grades question &#171; Generation YES Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 09:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] at the top of my mind these days, even though I haven&#8217;t had much time to blog about it much (besides this). But often when things are on your mind, everything you see seems to relate. If you think about [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Things I learned this week &#8211; #7 &#124; dougbelshaw.com/blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Things I learned this week &#8211; #7 &#124; dougbelshaw.com/blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 14:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a big believer in the importance of tinkering. That&#8217;s why I found this post about tinkering with technology especially [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Megan Connolly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Megan Connolly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am in the midst of re-reading Papert&#039;s book &quot;the Children&#039;s Machine&quot;.  As he explains his theory of learning that he calls &quot;constructionism&quot;, he references Jean Piaget&#039;s learning theory – that there are stages of learning – pre-operational, concrete, formal that are understood in the context of child development. To be able to really know something, one needs to experience it concretely. Papert makes the case that we should not see Piaget’s stages of development in a linear, sequential frame in time (i.e. ages 7-11 concrete operations, 11 and up for formal (abstract) operations), but rather in the context of a learning frame. The concrete operational stage of learning is not limited to the young minds of children, but is a stage that all learners go through as they construct knowledge. 
Makes sense to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am in the midst of re-reading Papert&#8217;s book &#8220;the Children&#8217;s Machine&#8221;.  As he explains his theory of learning that he calls &#8220;constructionism&#8221;, he references Jean Piaget&#8217;s learning theory – that there are stages of learning – pre-operational, concrete, formal that are understood in the context of child development. To be able to really know something, one needs to experience it concretely. Papert makes the case that we should not see Piaget’s stages of development in a linear, sequential frame in time (i.e. ages 7-11 concrete operations, 11 and up for formal (abstract) operations), but rather in the context of a learning frame. The concrete operational stage of learning is not limited to the young minds of children, but is a stage that all learners go through as they construct knowledge.<br />
Makes sense to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 00:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, drilling arithmetic is superior for mathematical development than any &quot;new math&quot; methods I&#039;ve seen out there.  India uses it, China uses, and they kill us in math.  I&#039;ll trust those guys. Sometimes the boring crap works, but the foundation it leaves enables the fun stuff later on to be both enjoyable and fruitful, rather than just fun and self-serving but with little educational value.  And I&#039;m not saying some improvement can&#039;t be made to current elementary education protocols. I just think the OP wrongfully pitted the SM and tinkering against one another.   And I think boring proven methods get a bad rap in the edusphere. 

I don&#039;t know, I guess my experience was just different than all of yours.  I did the drills.  I remember memorizing the SM.  I forget if we did any beneficial experimenting at that time (long time ago).  I don&#039;t remember laboriously reciting the steps in every science class for the rest of pre-college college career.  I do recall having a considerable amount of fun in elementary school.  I guess a lot of my &quot;tinkering&quot; went on at home and away from school, but I suppose that&#039;s a separate subject. 

&quot;It is what I crave in my career and my personal life. We owe our students the same thing.&quot;

We owe them an education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, drilling arithmetic is superior for mathematical development than any &#8220;new math&#8221; methods I&#8217;ve seen out there.  India uses it, China uses, and they kill us in math.  I&#8217;ll trust those guys. Sometimes the boring crap works, but the foundation it leaves enables the fun stuff later on to be both enjoyable and fruitful, rather than just fun and self-serving but with little educational value.  And I&#8217;m not saying some improvement can&#8217;t be made to current elementary education protocols. I just think the OP wrongfully pitted the SM and tinkering against one another.   And I think boring proven methods get a bad rap in the edusphere. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know, I guess my experience was just different than all of yours.  I did the drills.  I remember memorizing the SM.  I forget if we did any beneficial experimenting at that time (long time ago).  I don&#8217;t remember laboriously reciting the steps in every science class for the rest of pre-college college career.  I do recall having a considerable amount of fun in elementary school.  I guess a lot of my &#8220;tinkering&#8221; went on at home and away from school, but I suppose that&#8217;s a separate subject. </p>
<p>&#8220;It is what I crave in my career and my personal life. We owe our students the same thing.&#8221;</p>
<p>We owe them an education.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashlyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashlyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 23:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see what you are both saying. As an ex-science teacher and as a current ed techie, tinkering is what I do and it is all about problem solving and imagination and admittedly some &quot;soft mastery&quot;. The scientific method that most often gets taught is very formal and is frequently taught with little flexibility. It is formulaic: just  plug in and follow the linear road to an answer. We fail to provide our students time to connect, play, imagine, apply to everyday life. We don&#039;t connect what we teach as problem soving in science, math, etc. to other subjects. I have a BLAST in my current position tinkering away whether the issue is pure fix it, curricular, instructional or whatever I&#039;m called to help with. It is a shame we have so little time to allow our students and teachers the time and flexibility to tinker and problem solve, to laugh and argue with each other as we work and play and learn. It is what I crave in my career and my personal life. We owe our students the same thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see what you are both saying. As an ex-science teacher and as a current ed techie, tinkering is what I do and it is all about problem solving and imagination and admittedly some &#8220;soft mastery&#8221;. The scientific method that most often gets taught is very formal and is frequently taught with little flexibility. It is formulaic: just  plug in and follow the linear road to an answer. We fail to provide our students time to connect, play, imagine, apply to everyday life. We don&#8217;t connect what we teach as problem soving in science, math, etc. to other subjects. I have a BLAST in my current position tinkering away whether the issue is pure fix it, curricular, instructional or whatever I&#8217;m called to help with. It is a shame we have so little time to allow our students and teachers the time and flexibility to tinker and problem solve, to laugh and argue with each other as we work and play and learn. It is what I crave in my career and my personal life. We owe our students the same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Maureen Tumenas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maureen Tumenas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 23:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sylvia,
I think that you and Colin do not really disagree. This is my take: You are talking about the same thing. You are objecting to the rigid way that scientific method is taught in many schools. I agree that it is sometimes a canned experiment/methodology, but the real problem is certainly not scientific methods, but the fact that we &quot;do&quot; the experiment- often even giving the student the hypothesis to start with, tell them what materials to use and how to use them ( not why these choices are made), rush through it and move on. Many teachers rarely go back and explore what happened, why it happened and what would happen if... x,y, z.  Many experiments in schools are closed systems- do this, do it this way and write it up- no wonder, no tinkering about. Tinkering in science should follow the scientific method- it works... but give tinkering/playing around/questioning/etc... time and follow up on the ideas generated. If it is a &quot;classic&quot; experiment- figure out why. When I was observing at SLA last week the kids were figuring out the best way to extract DNA. Is there an established procedure- sure there is... Will their way work? Maybe? Will they get different results? Why? Why not? Will they follow scientific methods- sure hope so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sylvia,<br />
I think that you and Colin do not really disagree. This is my take: You are talking about the same thing. You are objecting to the rigid way that scientific method is taught in many schools. I agree that it is sometimes a canned experiment/methodology, but the real problem is certainly not scientific methods, but the fact that we &#8220;do&#8221; the experiment- often even giving the student the hypothesis to start with, tell them what materials to use and how to use them ( not why these choices are made), rush through it and move on. Many teachers rarely go back and explore what happened, why it happened and what would happen if&#8230; x,y, z.  Many experiments in schools are closed systems- do this, do it this way and write it up- no wonder, no tinkering about. Tinkering in science should follow the scientific method- it works&#8230; but give tinkering/playing around/questioning/etc&#8230; time and follow up on the ideas generated. If it is a &#8220;classic&#8221; experiment- figure out why. When I was observing at SLA last week the kids were figuring out the best way to extract DNA. Is there an established procedure- sure there is&#8230; Will their way work? Maybe? Will they get different results? Why? Why not? Will they follow scientific methods- sure hope so.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 23:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colin,

In elementary education, the scientific method is often taught as a set of steps that students move through to complete a science task. The question is often given to students and they are required to complete each step. Curiosity, ingenuity, and problem-solving are often not the focus of the scientific method in elementary classrooms. 
Tinkering encourages curiosity and problem-solving in a playful environment. 

Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colin,</p>
<p>In elementary education, the scientific method is often taught as a set of steps that students move through to complete a science task. The question is often given to students and they are required to complete each step. Curiosity, ingenuity, and problem-solving are often not the focus of the scientific method in elementary classrooms.<br />
Tinkering encourages curiosity and problem-solving in a playful environment. </p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>By: sylvia martinez</title>
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		<dc:creator>sylvia martinez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 23:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colin,
Again, the problem is not &quot;the scientific method&quot;, it&#039;s the way it&#039;s taught in school. If that wasn&#039;t clear in this post I apologize. It&#039;s something I planned to talk about in more detail in another post. I certainly don&#039;t think I made a perfect argument in 2 sentences. That&#039;s what Twitter is for ;-)

In many cases, kids are handed a worksheet with the title &quot;The Scientific Method&quot; and asked to memorize the steps, but never actually DO anything. Even when they do something it&#039;s a canned &quot;experiment&quot; that is contrived to fit the steps. I&#039;ve seen this enough times to know it&#039;s a widespread practice. This is ALL I&#039;m talking about.

I&quot;m also against drilling kids on multiplication facts, so it&#039;s apparent that we differ in some fundamental ways about learning.

I also don&#039;t think tinkering needs to be clearly defined before it can be of any use. Thinking out loud about learning and how education is structured in schools is useful and important. I learned a lot by sharing these ideas, even if they are not fully formed. The physical and virtual audience who joined me in this conversation were willing to toss some ideas around and I hope they got some food for thought too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colin,<br />
Again, the problem is not &#8220;the scientific method&#8221;, it&#8217;s the way it&#8217;s taught in school. If that wasn&#8217;t clear in this post I apologize. It&#8217;s something I planned to talk about in more detail in another post. I certainly don&#8217;t think I made a perfect argument in 2 sentences. That&#8217;s what Twitter is for <img src='http://blog.genyes.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>In many cases, kids are handed a worksheet with the title &#8220;The Scientific Method&#8221; and asked to memorize the steps, but never actually DO anything. Even when they do something it&#8217;s a canned &#8220;experiment&#8221; that is contrived to fit the steps. I&#8217;ve seen this enough times to know it&#8217;s a widespread practice. This is ALL I&#8217;m talking about.</p>
<p>I&#8221;m also against drilling kids on multiplication facts, so it&#8217;s apparent that we differ in some fundamental ways about learning.</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t think tinkering needs to be clearly defined before it can be of any use. Thinking out loud about learning and how education is structured in schools is useful and important. I learned a lot by sharing these ideas, even if they are not fully formed. The physical and virtual audience who joined me in this conversation were willing to toss some ideas around and I hope they got some food for thought too.</p>
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